Tuesday, June 09, 2009

Hey YouTube, we want Open Video too!


HTML 5 supports embedding videos with a simple tag, and Firefox 3.5 adds support for Ogg Theora and Vorbis for video and audio, respectively (Midori already supports this as well). Dailymotion has taken advantage of this to create their new Open Video site where all of their users' content will be automatically transcoded into Ogg. They expect to have around 300,000 videos there and they have set up this demo site (requires Firefox 3.5 or Midori using the Firefox 3.5 user agent string) to show a few cool things that can be done without the constraints of Flash. YouTube has their own HTML 5 demo site but it does not (yet?) use Ogg, and since Theora is ahead of H.264 in objective quality, there really is no downside. I hope YouTube will follow in Dailymotion's footsteps, and it's very disappointing that they weren't the leaders here. This is a great direction for the futue of videos online, and YouTube could be a big boost for it. If only P2P streaming could have such significant developments. I'm sure it helps if you will join me in requesting Google uses Ogg for YouTube with HTML5 (Check off "I have another idea" at the bottom).

Update: The test showing that Theora is ahead of H.264 turned out to be flawed but Theora isn't far behind and is actually better than YouTube's videos (although HD was not tested).

Update 2: Theora has now been tested with HD videos and it equals what YouTube currently uses.
Posted at 6/09/2009 06:08:00 PM
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  1. > YouTube has their own HTML 5 demo site but it does not (yet?) use Ogg, and since Theora is ahead of H.264 in objective quality, there really is no downside.

    So I guess Slashdot isn't going to bother correcting their article? This is obviously not true if you know anything about the codecs and was already retracted on the comparison page.
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  2. Oh jezus don't start the Theora lovers and Theora haters at it!
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  3. It would be wise to fix that Theora is ahead of H264. That isn't the case. However, there are enough really good reasons for using Ogg Theora anyway.
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  4. Mayeb you should actually read the article you're referring to:

    http://web.mit.edu/xiphmont/Public/theora/demo7.html

    Theora is NOT ahead of h.264. The original article was flawed, and after it was corrected, it shows h.264 still comfortably in the lead.
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  5. This is a thread involving google people about this subject:

    http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020363.html
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  6. OGGTV already works on Google Chrome with HTML5 for mobile devices. BROGGCASTERS, can take advantage of this new video situation, by starting large amounts of open-TV stations, for all platforms and devices.

    OGG, can easily be put in the driver's seat
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  7. As a matter of a little rumor mixed with conjecture,
    Google may be buying the company that originated ogg
    and then throwing some programmers at it to bring it
    on par with H.264

    Now if all that is true, it could save them 5 million
    a year in licensing fees while at the same time
    contributing vastly to the open source effort.

    The differences in quality between the two codecs is nothing a little cash wouldn't cure.
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  9. This is a great direction for the futue of videos online, and YouTube could be a big boost for it. If only P2P streaming could have such significant developments. I'm sure it helps if you will join me in requesting Google uses Ogg for YouTube with HTML5 (Check off "I have another idea" at the bottom).

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  10. I'm sure it helps if you will join me in requesting Google uses Ogg for YouTube with HTML5 (Check off "I have another idea" at the bottom).


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